Super Friend Power...ACTIVATE!

Fawn shares her deep appreciation for her friend Wendy, and reflects on the importance of meaningful friendships. She opens up about a challenging day filled with emotional overwhelm and how Wendy’s support helped her navigate through it. Matt and Fawn also discuss intuition, energy, and the fascinating connection between love and telepathic understanding. Their conversation explores the ways we connect with others, how we perceive people, and the role love plays in truly understanding someone.

Friendship, emotional support, intuition, telepathy, deep connections, empathy, energy, vegan recipes, meaningful relationships, personal growth, mindfulness, self-awareness, love and connection

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TRANSCRIPT:
Superfriend Power
[00:00:00] Fawn: Welcome back to our friendly world everybody. Hello. Hello. Hello. 
[00:00:04] MATT: Hello. 
[00:00:05] Fawn: Okay. Happy story But first, okay. Well, here's the here's the thing Remember even if you feel like you don't have anyone by your side or with you or anyone That has your back. If you feel alone for whatever reason, in a particular situation, whatever it is, here's a lesson that I learned almost 10 years ago.
[00:00:30] Fawn: Alright, so at a time when I thought we had some really great friends, things happened, I don't want to get into it, but like, you know, bad things happened, and all of a sudden, all the friends disappeared. Like, whoosh. All of my friends, anyway. Um, and it was when Matt got in a horrible situation and got sick.
[00:00:53] Fawn: And, all of a sudden, it, I guess, I was at the hospital, and I thought, for [00:01:00] sure, these best friends of mine will have my back, will be there for us. They flat out disappeared, guys. Every single one. Like, poof, gone. Never heard from them again. And while this was happening, so, uh, No then I was dealing with grief.
[00:01:17] Fawn: Matt was dealing with things. The kids were dealing with grief and things. And, um, it was pretty life altering. It totally shook my everything from my core. It cracked my faith in everything. And, uh, I was kind of in a free fall state, and that's when I turned to one of my, like a colleague, I guess you would call her, anyway, I, I studied spiritual response therapy, like, many decades ago.
[00:01:51] Fawn: One of the things that's great is I, I can turn to other fellow therapists and that's what I did [00:02:00] like back then when all this stuff was happening and she told me something. She showed me something that has stayed with me the whole time. One, was she talked about capacity. Not everyone has the capacity you do for a friendship.
[00:02:15] Fawn: And, but the way she described it was, you're expecting too much of people, and then I felt bad. She's like, no, let me explain. And then she, she kind of explained it like capacity. They don't have the same capacity you do. Right, so I understood that, great, but one of the major lessons that I'd like to impart today was, she was talking about how If you really think about it, no matter what situation you're in, there's always, you can think of them as angels even, there's always someone there to help you.
[00:02:48] Fawn: There is always a friend right there when you need them. They may not be the lifelong friend that will hang out with you forever, but they're there, and they're there. [00:03:00] And then, when things are settled, they're gone again. And this is not to describe the friends that disappeared, cause those people are dead to me.
[00:03:09] Fawn: F those people. 
[00:03:10] MATT: Right. 
[00:03:11] Fawn: But, what I'm talking about are like, they are like human beings that are acting like angels. They are there to help you selflessly. They are, they, I mean, they're completely there on all levels. And so she was, this particular therapist that I was talking to that was helping me out told me about her personal experiences.
[00:03:37] Fawn: Like, she, she was in a situation and she described Like, exactly what happened with her, and I'm like, wow, actually, yeah, come to think of it, that that is what happened with us also. Like, strangers stepped in to help, right? 
[00:03:52] MATT: Right. 
[00:03:53] Fawn: What, the reason why I'm telling you this, and trust me, it is actually a very uplifting, happy situation, is that, [00:04:00] I mean, number one, Matt's okay, thank you.
[00:04:02] Fawn: Ew. Um, but, It's looking at, if you could like separate yourself and look away, look above, you know, like step away and kind of look at it with a soft eye approach at life and realize that if you call, whatever you want to call it, synchronicity, higher power, whatever it is, everything is orchestrated actually quite beautifully and everything does work out.
[00:04:33] Fawn: It may not seem like it when you're in the trenches. But everything is working out. So, for example, I want to talk about my friend Wendy. And that, there's a reason why I want to title this episode Super Friends. She's my super friend. The way I met Wendy was right after this period where I experienced this, like, [00:05:00] Evaporation of friends.
[00:05:02] Fawn: Right? Poof! Disappeared. Um, it took me a while to like, start getting back on my feet again, and like, getting strong again. But while I was still in the midst of it, and I was making friends here and there, that's, that's fine. But, What happened was this one day, all of a sudden, like a surge through my spine, I was like, I gotta call the local newspaper and tell them the project we're working on and ask them for support.
[00:05:32] Fawn: And mind you, I come from LA, I come from the photography field, which was when I was in it way back then. in that area. It was really, really tough. It was incredibly, can I use the word biased with that ring true man? Like it was so, um, such a manly profession and it was so like you had to know and be friends with certain people.
[00:05:59] MATT: It felt very [00:06:00] quid pro quo. 
[00:06:01] Fawn: It's like, what 
[00:06:02] MATT: have you, what have you done for me if you want me to do something for you? And 
[00:06:04] Fawn: who are you? 
[00:06:06] MATT: Yeah. 
[00:06:06] Fawn: Like quite literally one day, I went to, like, there are different facets, right? There's commercial photography, there's art photography. And I was in both of those worlds.
[00:06:17] Fawn: And one day I went to the, like, the art. arena, where all the gallery owners come together and they all meet in Santa Monica at the Santa Monica Civic Center, right? It's a big deal. Whatever. Like, one of the gallery owners from LA that I knew of quite well, actually, um, I, I was at his booth and I said, Hi, nice to meet you.
[00:06:42] Fawn: I'm Fawn. And I reached out my hand and he literally looked at me like I was a disgusting rat from the sewer and refused to touch my hands. I shake my hand. And I understand not shaking hands, [00:07:00] actually, especially nowadays, but this was a long time ago. But it was the look on his face, like, you know how people, like, put up a corner of their mouth to show disgust?
[00:07:11] Fawn: It was like that. And, um, it was, it was so incredibly hurtful, right? So anyway, that's the kind of, um, mentality that, like, kind of stuck with me. So when I reached out to this newspaper, I was kind of expecting that same mentality. That same attitude, right? Right. But, so I called the local newspaper. By the way, this was not in L.
[00:07:34] Fawn: A. Um This was in another state, many states away, but I, I called them and I was expecting them to go, yeah, right, no. And immediately they said, yes, of course we would love to do a story on you. I mean, I told them what we were doing, right. And we were doing the art of friendship thing. We had designed a website.
[00:07:58] Fawn: We had designed this whole [00:08:00] algorithm, thanks to Matt, where you would find your platonic Best friend it was like a dating not like it was a dating website for platonic friendships, and we had so much Um, effort put into this, the kids were involved in it, we, um, got a grant to, to do a bunch of stuff. It was fantastic.
[00:08:24] Fawn: And this was years before any other, uh, platforms did it. Anyway, so the newspaper said, yes, absolutely. And then they're like, let us send over one of our reporters. And so a reporter shows up and it's Wendy. And she sits on our couch. Remember Matt? We made her sit on our couch and we were like talking to her.
[00:08:49] Fawn: And she's all business. She's trying to like interview us and to get this story. Done. 
[00:08:54] MATT: And our kids are bouncing off the walls. Yeah, 
[00:08:57] Fawn: and she's sitting there and so in the middle [00:09:00] of every sentence I'm like, wait a minute. You're vegan too? We are vegan! Like and I noticed all these synchronicities. I noticed all these things we had in common and I often say I'm like a dog that's so happy to see you when I really like you like I'll jump all over you and I felt like it was that kind of situation.
[00:09:21] Fawn: Like, I love you so much. And it could be a little bit off putting for some people. And so but what's so beautiful about Wendy, one of the things that's beautiful is like she was open to it, but she was so kind and gracious. She's like, yes, let's finish the interview first. Do you remember? I do. It was something like that.
[00:09:47] Fawn: I don't remember her exact 
[00:09:48] MATT: words. That's just it overwhelmingly from from Wendy. I got this feeling of like even her choice of words, her diction, her everything. I was like. Her everything. This is, this is a [00:10:00] serious person. This is like, you know, this person is taking this assignment very seriously and here we are lightheartedly and they're just trying to like get to the heart of it and document it and, and get their story together.
[00:10:13] MATT: Absolutely. Right. In a very, almost razor sharpy kind of a way. 
[00:10:18] Fawn: I mean, this is her art form. One of her art forms. Anyway, so I'm telling you this story to explain how we met. Had it not been me following that jolt I got one day, in the middle of the day, I was doing so many other things all of a sudden, and I'm like, you know what, I should call this newspaper.
[00:10:37] Fawn: And I did. I did it right away. I happened to catch the right person when I did. And then, boom, like, it was all set in motion. And usually, like, when I meet someone I love, it's like, woo, yay, we're off. We're off and away, but Wendy has a very, very, very, um, help me describe that. [00:11:00] She's very grounded. She's, meticulous.
[00:11:03] MATT: Right. Thoughtful. Yes. And not prone to moving quickly, if you will. Like, making sure they play out all the angles. 
[00:11:12] Fawn: She, I think, Thinks and feels things through, logically. Mm hmm. Whereas I'm completely illogical, but I'm, I'm very intuitive and I'll just like, if I get a hint of intuition, I'm off with that.
[00:11:26] Fawn: You know? Right. Why are you looking up like that? I'm just looking up. I thought you were being sarcastic. No. All right. Me? All right. So, what happened was, now, that was almost ten years ago, maybe nine years ago. When was it? Whatever probably eight years ago. I don't know but it's been a very Kind of like the slow food movement.
[00:11:50] Fawn: It's been a slow Beautiful relationship where we have really gotten to know one another As I'm slowing down my speech, [00:12:00] too. I just want to say thank you to Wendy because she's And, and also not, not just thank you to Wendy. And by the way, please follow her. She's very talented. Not only is she an extraordinary writer, she's like a super athlete.
[00:12:21] Fawn: I mean, talk about super friends in more ways than one super friend because she's truly a friend, but also she. is like, a superhuman, like, superhuman strength, right? Because she's petite, right? You would say she's like, petite. And I hate to, uh, describe people's bodies, but she's lean and thin, right? And she's so, uh, demure.
[00:12:50] Fawn: Can I say demure? 
[00:12:51] MATT: You can say 
[00:12:52] Fawn: demure. How would you describe Wendy? She looks very petite, right? 
[00:12:58] MATT: I think, by and [00:13:00] large, when you look at Wendy, It's like, it's almost like, what's a good word for it?
[00:13:11] MATT: Is, is it hard to see? Is it easy to overlook and then she shows her power and then you're like, ooh, dang. 
[00:13:19] Fawn: Right, like one of the last times we were together we were moving and Because I've seen her since then, but I remember we were moving, and I wanted her to like, take some of our stuff that we couldn't move with, and I was lifting all these heavy things, and she's like, here, let me take that, and I was exhausted, because I was really like, no sleep, and it was a stressful move
[00:13:43] Fawn: for me. And, um, cause I was trying to take care of everything myself. So you wouldn't get stressed out. 
[00:13:49] MATT: Whereas I was just chilling. 
[00:13:51] Fawn: And, um, she's like, no, let me take that. I'm like, oh no, Wendy, let me do it. Cause I'm like, oh, she's like, you know, [00:14:00] dainty. Even though I know she's a full on athlete, like full blown, like she moved to the state we lived in because of
[00:14:08] Fawn: all the marathons, the mega 
[00:14:11] MATT: Ironman triathlons and things. Like, all of that stuff, 
[00:14:14] Fawn: the swimming, the running, like everything, the cycling, like, she's a machine! She's, like, built like a rock. Iron. Ha ha ha! Right? So anyway, so she takes the, the load that I'm holding, and by the way, I was struggling, and she practically, like, She does it with her pinky finger, I feel like, and I was like, and I, and I, and because She was we were kind of struggling like let me take it.
[00:14:42] Fawn: No, let me take it like that. We were very close. I Sensed her like body like her vibration and I was like, oh damn I forgot she's super strong Do you know what I'm [00:15:00] saying? Yeah, I mean it's the Persian in me that doesn't want to give any weight to someone else like let me let me Take the burden of that.
[00:15:07] Fawn: Wait, that's not for you. Right. Let me do it. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be a burden to someone. So it was that kind of a thing. That's why I didn't want her to carry anything. But I was like, Oh, she took it with such ease. I'm like, Man. And then I felt bad because I was like, I'm really out of shape.
[00:15:26] Fawn: Do you know what I'm saying? Like, 
[00:15:27] MATT: Definitely. 
[00:15:28] Fawn: But it just reminded me of her super strength. Super strengths. Anyway, I want to take this time to really Have us think about the people in our lives and the way people come into our lives And it may not be the way you think you may follow one into an intuitive hit and not know really How that's totally leading you to your proper path how that's leading you to meet a true friend so [00:16:00] That's what I wanted to get out today, was to remind each other of one another and of each other's presence, how we change each other's lives and how to notice the incredible strengths that we all have, I wanted to talk about Wendy today. I'm so grateful that I have this friend. It's been a very long, slow. process, with this friendship being built, created, , with a good foundation, you know? Wow, 
[00:16:35] MATT: she is very methodical, so I get that. I get that, and, but, what really makes me think about is, as far as, like, getting close, building friendships and that kind of thing, this style of friendship, I almost want to call it, I know you, you were talking about superhero friends, right?
[00:16:53] MATT: But it's almost like comic book superhero, it's even, it's even worse or better? But, like, [00:17:00] it seems like friends that I have that are similar, it's like they all have their own, like, power. And it's usually something half humorous and half, like, dang, how do you do that? And it's usually in a, in, in some aspect I don't have, so like, I almost want to say it's hard for me to be friends with someone who's really good at programming because I'm not sure because I feel, or if they feel the sense of one, one upsmanship, but like, if somebody is really good at something that I'm not good at, it's like, go, please help me do that.
[00:17:41] MATT: Yeah. And, and, and when they recognize something similar in you, they're like, Hey, help me with this. Go. 
[00:17:48] Fawn: Yeah, and it's what we've been talking about lately is being humble and the really humble people are the most talented actually. 
[00:17:58] MATT: They can be, absolutely. [00:18:00] And 
[00:18:00] Fawn: that's, that's a Wendy there for you. You know what I'm saying?
[00:18:03] Fawn: Right. Like, she's a phenomenal photographer, but I, I feel absolutely on either side, I do not feel a one upsmanship at all. She's also a vegan, but her part of what she does is she's a vegan recipe developer. She's so talented. She's the mastermind behind my chocolate cake chocolate frosting.
[00:18:31] Fawn: The chocolate frosting of my chocolate cake. She's the, she's the mastermind of the frosting. And people who are not vegan, who have tasted the frosting that we make, lose their minds. They, their minds explode when I tell them it's made from a sweet potato. You know? Or a yam. Like, that's Wendy. Happy Apple Vegan, you guys.
[00:18:56] Fawn: Instagram, happyapplevegan. com Please check [00:19:00] her out. She's, I mean, every recipe She makes things from tea! You know? It's amazing. She's amazing. Anyway, I just want to say thank you. Especially since yesterday, I I had to leave the house. I was feeling so much rage and I really needed someone and, you know, we don't live in the same part of the country anymore, so it's like I just texted her.
[00:19:27] Fawn: I'm like, Wendy, I'm in the car. I'm crying. I'm feeling rage. I don't know what to do. She's like, I can call you in an hour. I'm like, okay. 
[00:19:40] MATT: And for the record, folks, I think it was yeah. 60 percent my fault. 
[00:19:45] Fawn: It was really some stupid stuff, but, I think I was picking up on worldly stuff and, you know, a lot of it also came from, I had a four hour meeting
[00:19:57] Fawn: with someone that was [00:20:00] quite challenging, and they said some things that, like, were challenging, so You know, I was trying to have it just brush off of me, like, no big deal, but All that stuff, along with, like, dental stuff and stress of taking care of the kids, you know, making sure everything's okay I just couldn't, and also politics, whatever's happening in our country, like, honestly, I, I couldn't You know, I just, I don't know what and then dealing with people who are totally gaslighting me at the same time regarding Politics and all of this it's like and it's people I respect It's just too much.
[00:20:41] Fawn: It's too much and I lost my mind, 
[00:20:43] MATT: but let's circle back. 
[00:20:45] Fawn: Okay, 
[00:20:45] MATT: let's so what do you think? Why do you think you and Wendy connected? 
[00:20:54] Fawn: That's a good question, but I don't know I, I mean, I connected 
[00:20:59] MATT: because I [00:21:00] want to 
[00:21:00] Fawn: know, but also I want, I do want to say that I really respect you after all of these years. At first you would say stuff and it would floor me like when you first met my neighbor who was a good friend of mine, you said, Oh, she's a train wreck.
[00:21:20] Fawn: And I was like, how dare you? 
[00:21:23] MATT: Yep, I dared. But 
[00:21:24] Fawn: then I looked and I'm like, oh my god. I see, you know, I didn't see it because I was so blind to it, right? Right. But like, you can see through people most of the time. Now you've kind of turned it off because you explained to me how you get an intuitive hit on people.
[00:21:43] Fawn: Like what it takes for you to really know a stranger completely, like how to read them. And You know. You've kind of tried not to do it as much the past few years because it does take a lot of energy to do it, right? [00:22:00] 
[00:22:00] MATT: Right. And also, I, I worry because I don't need, we don't need to have friends on the most deepest level possible.
[00:22:10] Fawn: Well, remember we used to go out for coffee and you would read people. That's true. And it was like, that was our thing to do. We would, people watch. And remember we were in, um, on some island. And from there. Very far away, you noticed someone and you pointed them out and you said, this person is a Bible thumper.
[00:22:28] Fawn: And I didn't know what that meant. I'm like, what is that? 
[00:22:30] MATT: And then 
[00:22:31] Fawn: you explained to me what that was. Someone that will all of a sudden, while they're having a conversation with you about anything, all of a sudden will come out with a Bible and start like tapping it and start reciting things from it. I'm like, we're on a beach.
[00:22:45] Fawn: He's barely wearing any clothes, 
[00:22:48] MATT: but he had a backpack. 
[00:22:49] Fawn: He had a backpack. But like, how are we supposed to know? Like, we're at the beach, right? And sure enough, a couple hours later, we walked past him and right when we did, [00:23:00] this guy pulled out from his backpack a Bible and started tapping on it as he was talking to someone.
[00:23:07] Fawn: But that, that's your talent. And I said, how do you do that? Like, over the years, I'm like, how do you do that? And you said, and this is very interesting because there's a podcast called The Telepathy Tapes. And I found out recently that Deepak Chopra was actually the first person to interview these kids.
[00:23:26] Fawn: Um, severely, like, totally autistic kids who, are able to use telepathy with their mom or something. Like, they read minds. They can be in one room, the mom is reading something just in her own head. She's reading a chapter, and in the other room The child is typing what she is reading. Okay, that kind of telepathy, right?
[00:23:52] Fawn: Okay. So anyway, but what you told me years ago was cuz I'm like, how do you do that? I wish I could do that. And [00:24:00] you said well to do that you have to connect and love this person Love this stranger you like have to Open up a love channel and then you can pick all that up. 
[00:24:12] MATT: I'm not sure I said love channel, but it's one of these, you have to almost.
[00:24:19] MATT: Live their life from birth until the moment that you meet them 
[00:24:23] Fawn: with love is what you said you you use the word love You did 
[00:24:27] MATT: okay 
[00:24:28] Fawn: and and so And so anyway, I was listening to an interview with Deepak Chopra and he was like actually I was the first person To do these telepathy tapes like this whole thing
[00:24:39] Fawn: that's now a huge- I don't know if you've heard of them It's a huge podcast. They're like one of the biggest ones. Anyway, he's like no I was the first person to go in to to see it because I didn't believe it and he asked this kid, how do you do it? And he said, I love [00:25:00] my mom. I love her. So I know I'm like, Oh my God, that's what Matt told me.
[00:25:08] Fawn: Like even a stranger, right? So anyway, I totally like digressed. What were we saying? Oh, I love and respect you, Matt. Back to the question of why do you think, with Wendy, because I've been hurt by people so much, so often, now I'm like, I turn to you, I'm like, what do you think, Matt? And sometimes I don't ask you, sometimes you totally offer it when you're really impressed by somebody.
[00:25:34] Fawn: Either way. 
[00:25:34] MATT: Mm hmm. 
[00:25:35] Fawn: And you really liked Wendy. 
[00:25:38] MATT: Yeah. Absolutely. That, that was an easy one. 
[00:25:41] Fawn: And that made me feel more settled and calm because I really liked her. I'm like, you're my best friend, where have you been? You know what I'm saying? And she's like, Which is a little overwhelming. 
[00:25:53] MATT: Uh, hi?
[00:25:59] Fawn: So, [00:26:00] anyway, that was one reason. But, your question was, why, what? 
[00:26:04] MATT: Why did you guys connect? 
[00:26:09] Fawn: I don't know if I can answer that. 
[00:26:10] MATT: To me, it's almost logical and scientifical. 
[00:26:15] Fawn: What? 
[00:26:16] MATT: Time. 
[00:26:19] Fawn: What about it? 
[00:26:20] MATT: So, when she came over, didn't feel like she was in a hurry. And it felt like she had the bandwidth to listen to what we had to say.
[00:26:29] Fawn: She was present. 
[00:26:30] MATT: She was very present. Very! Not just present, not just like, you know, at Starbucks ordering an iced macchiato. She was like, bam! She was, this was everything to her at that moment. So she was extremely present. She had the bandwidth to accept what we had to talk about. And then she continued to have the bandwidth afterwards to continue to connect and it wasn't necessarily the [00:27:00] same amount.
[00:27:01] MATT: But honestly, it was time. It was the fact that, you know, you were, you were, I like to describe it as that timeless, placeless place stealing from Susanne Vega. Um, you were both fixed in that moment in time, in that space, in that place. 
[00:27:21] Fawn: And I had this, um, I was able to Go with the flow of a certain understanding that I needed to have like I said, let's hang out.
[00:27:29] Fawn: Oh my god Let's go out. She's like, well, um My schedule is quite challenging. So I mean I can go out and she Mentioned a month she could go out which was like three or four months later
[00:27:49] Fawn: But it made me pause and go okay
[00:27:56] MATT: You've never really been in, like, [00:28:00] I always reflect on experiences that I have. And there have been moments in time where I have been completely caught. I wasn't in that instance. I was, I wasn't completely present. in the same way that I think she was and you were. But, are there other points in time that you can point at where you were in that kind of a space?
[00:28:22] MATT: Because I have In what space? In that time I call it that timeless, placeless place. I can remember there was a dance in college and it was like, that was I had no I was completely present. Completely. When I when I'm seriously deep in the code and I'm really writing the Best code of my life again. I'm in that place.
[00:28:46] Fawn: You know, I want to say it's meditation 
[00:28:48] MATT: and there you go 
[00:28:49] Fawn: And and going back to deepak chopra like he was in the same interview. They were like How do you get to that state of spontaneous healing, for example, like [00:29:00] what needs to happen, and it, again, it goes back to the teachings of Dr. Joe Dispenza, because in his meditations, you learn to go in the space of nothingness, where you're nobody, you're nowhere, there's no time, nothing, it's just black nothing.
[00:29:19] Fawn: Right? And that's the state you want to continue being in, practice being in, and then you get to the work of everything. And that 
[00:29:29] MATT: seems eminently close to what they call the flow state for programmers. Really? Yeah. 
[00:29:35] Fawn: So, I'll keep going. And, um, for example, with this interview with Deepak Chopra, they were like, how, you know, to get to that point of spontaneous, healing for example.
[00:29:47] Fawn: So he said you have to get to that state, right? And then they're like, well, how do you get to that state? He's like, it's quite simple. Think about something that is enjoyable. For example, like they were having a [00:30:00] conversation. He's like, are you enjoying this conversation before you answer? Don't answer me until I say go.
[00:30:08] Fawn: So I'm going to ask you the question. Are you enjoying this conversation? Don't answer. Wait for me to raise my hand and then you can say your answer and that state of that pause is that nothingness. So, are you enjoying our conversation? Matt, don't answer. Okay, 
[00:30:31] MATT: I was until you said don't answer now. I'm kidding, 
[00:30:35] Fawn: but you know what I'm saying, 
[00:30:36] MATT: right?
[00:30:38] Fawn: So 
[00:30:39] MATT: yeah, I get it But again, it's like you have it's like it's like you literally you have the bandwidth you have the time you have the space you have the place you have the You know, you're feeling everything you need. You're not feeling anxious. You're not feeling sad. You're just present.
[00:30:56] MATT: Right. And I think that that sets the table. Ha! [00:31:00] That sets the table for these types of interactions to become greater. And thus Having the shared experience and having the bonding, provided both sides are into it. 
[00:31:11] Fawn: And I was gonna say, isn't that what I've been saying all along in a different way? It's like, watch a movie without any expectations.
[00:31:19] Fawn: When you meet someone, watch them like you're watching a movie. Without any judgment, don't think, oh, I know where this is going. Or, I know what their motive is. Ooh, they're a bad guy, they're a good guy. Ooh, you know, nothing. Just a blank slate. But that's, but then I don't know if I'm the right person because I always get myself in trouble because I have like such an open hearted gate for everyone and then that gets me in trouble.
[00:31:46] Fawn: You 
[00:31:46] MATT: have to watch the other side. You have to pay attention and that sounds really wrong but you have to pay attention to how the other person is doing, feeling, being, acting, to get a clear sense of things. 
[00:31:59] Fawn: [00:32:00] Right, which requires some time. 
[00:32:01] MATT: Which, again, requires time, but, you know, oftentimes we're blinded by our own desires.
[00:32:07] MATT: And that's part of the problem. You literally, you've got to be like a good Buddhist with no desire. 
[00:32:12] Fawn: Right. So anyway, that's what I wanted to say. Anything you wanted to add? 
[00:32:18] MATT: I think I added a fair amount. Thank you. Alright, yeah. 
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[00:32:45] MATT: Be well. 
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